The Undergrounders Part 1

From Agartha to the Deros to the Cryptoterrestrials

Mar 22, 2024

*Agartha - Ancient fortress*, by Ivan Grozdanovski (2023)

Several types of sources posit an underground realm and the people who populate it. In folklore and legend there are myths of the underworld, like Hades or Xibalba. The Zuni Indians believe their ancestors emerged from underground, and there are legends of underground tunnels and cities in Mexico and South America. Then there are the more modern accounts of Agartha, populated by technologically advanced “hidden masters” and accessible via caves and tunnels beneath, e.g., Central Asia. For a summary of many of these legends, see Mr. Mythos’s documentary below:

In the occult world, we find stories of alchemists and theosophists encountering mysterious strangers and ascended masters, some of whom claim to come from underground. The 17th-century alchemist Dr. John Frederick Schweitzer (aka Helvetius) claimed to have been visited by a stranger who demonstrated the Philosopher’s Stone for him and claimed to dwell within the earth and “direct” the leaders of men. (Baruch Spinoza looked into the claim at the time.) Theosophists like Helena Blavatsky adopted some of these legends, claiming telepathic contact with hidden Tibetan masters; Alice Bailey wrote of a secret race in hiding, waiting until the time to emerge. In the mid-20th century, Brazilian theosophists were intrigued by hollow-Earth theories and their connection with UFOs.

Many of the core ideas stem from fictional accounts of the hollow Earth, often presented in the guise of factual accounts, the line between fact and fiction deliberately blurred. Edward Bulwer-Lytton, an English Rosicrucian, wrote The Coming Race in 1871, which tells of a beautiful inner-Earth-dwelling race, the survivors of an ancient cataclysm, who travel in “air-boats” using “vril” energy. Agartha was first mentioned by Louis Jacolliot in 1873, and its alleged underground theocracy which controlled world events on the surface was first described in detail by Joseph-Alexandre Saint-Yves d’Alveydre. Both were occultists.

Fictional works with such themes included Edgar Allen Poe’s Narrative of Gordon Pym (1838), Jules Verne’s Journey to the Center of the Earth (1864), Franz Hartmann’s Among the Gnomes (1895), John Uri Lloyd’s Etidorhpa (1896), and Willis George Emerson’s The Smoky God (1908). Another work straddling fact and fiction is Theodore Illion’s Darkness over Tibet (1938), a travel book in which Illion finds himself in an underground Tibetan city governed by a dark sorcerer, whose “occult hierarchy” plan world-control via telepathy and astral projection.

In 1922, Ferdynand Ossendowski claimed to have learned some of the secrets of this underground kingdom while in Mongolia during the Russian Civil War. While he may have simply used Saint-Yves’s work as a model, he denied having done so.

Prince Chultun Beyli added: “This kingdom is Agharti. It extends throughout all the subterranean passages of the whole world. I heard a learned Lama of China relating to Bogdo Khan that all the subterranean caves of America are inhabited by the ancient people who have disappeared underground. Traces of them are still found on the surface of the land. These subterranean peoples and spaces are governed by rulers owing allegiance to the King of the World. In it there is not much of the wonderful. You know that in the two greatest oceans of the east and the west there were formerly two continents. They disappeared under the water but their people went into the subterranean kingdom. In underground caves there exists a peculiar light which affords growth to the grains and vegetables and long life without disease to the people. There are many different peoples and many different tribes …” —Beasts, Men and Gods (1922)

Such accounts shade over into the realm of the contactees and abductees of the mid to late twentieth century: those claiming physical or telepathic contact, sometimes for extended periods of time, either with the undergrounders themselves or human-looking “aliens” claiming or hinting to come from underground. Håkan Blomqvist quotes a handful of such sources, including Eugene Drake, Frank Howard, George Adamski, Howard Menger, Millen Cooke, and the medium Mark Probert (recorded by Meade Layne).

Straddling both worlds was Richard Shaver, whose accounts of the underground Teros and Deros (detrimental robots) were expanded and published by Ray Palmer in Amazing Stories beginning in 1943. Shaver claimed to be on the receiving end of telepathic communications from Lemurians, the alleged source of his tales of the underground populated by malevolent degenerates (which preempted much later UFO lore). Palmer padded out Shaver’s contributions, marketing them as truth with some fictional flourishes. The stories prompted many readers to write in with similar tales, such as those of Margaret Rogers, who claimed to have visited the underground civilization via a passage in Mexico.

Mr. Mythos on Etidorhpa and the Shaver Mystery:

Then there are the more or less investigative works, culling from all the above, such as those by “Raymond Bernard” (Walter Siegmaster), e.g. The Hollow Earth (1964), and “Eric Norman” (Warren Smith), who summarizes some of the evidence for the underground race in his book The Under-People (1969). Siegmaster wanted to create a new super-race in South America. One of his sources, a Brazilian theosophist named Professor Henrique de Souza, claimed to be in contact with inner-Earth Atlanteans. David Hatcher Childress gives a history of all the hollow-Earth theories and claims in his book Lost Continents & the Hollow Earth (1999).

Some common themes emerge from these accounts, such as advanced technological and psychic abilities (including telepathy, UFOs, psychotronic weapons, and healing devices), and the unique quality of the light underground. Bulwer-Lytton and Ossendowski, then Norman’s “Gordon Nicholas” and “Prof. Juan da Silva,” claimed that certain Atlanteans had been warned of the catastrophe to come and escaped underground. (For Shaver it was Lemurians. Blomqvist calls this the “ancient breakaway civilization” hypothesis.) They are often presented as humanity’s teachers: Norman’s “Dr. Gunther Rosenberg” cites legends of Ramayana, Quetzalcoatl, and Viracocha as savior-teachers who emerged from underground to instruct humanity. Rogers called them “envoys” and claimed several lived among humanity on the surface. They often show an interest in politics, controlling or interfering in world affairs.

Finally, within contemporary ufology, several propose the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis as a competing model to the more popular extraterrestrial hypothesis. (Hynek and Vallee called them “earthbound aliens.”) This was best formulated by Mac Tonnies in his 2010 book, The Cryptoterrestrials, but the basic idea of an earthly (underground) source for UFOs has been around for as long as ufology.

It is [Paxson C. Hayes’s] guess that our atomic explosions have stirred these underground people into a curiosity and they have flown out of their caves at the terminal ends of the earth (polar vents), and are cruising around on magnetically-directed saucers trying to determine what manner of neighbors have taken to living upstairs. … And why are they here in the first place? Because it may be their intention to prevent destruction of the omniverse by makers of hydrogen bombs, an eventuality that could prove as deteriorating to them as to us. —Frank Scully, Behind the Flying Saucers (1950)

Ray Palmer published his “Hollow Earth” issue of Flying Saucers in 1959, claiming UFOs were not ET craft, but came from underground. Siegmaster found the same idea in O.C. Huguenin’s 1955 book From the Subterranean World to the Sky. Alfred Bender claimed that his infamous three Men in Black told him UFOs came from secret bases in Antarctica. More recently, others have given some support to the basic idea:

They [the Nordics] had a planetary-scale civilization on Earth in distant antiquity, and their endurance of its collapse also makes them survivors of “Atlantis.” They have survived in vast underground bases and undersea cities, consistent with the Crypto-terrestrial hypothesis. —Jason Reza Jorjani, PhD, Closer Encounters (2021)

I wonder if an advanced civilization came here long ago (Atlantis?) and were mistaken for Greek Gods and Angels etc.. then went underground and would pop up to push humanity episodically. Then, something else came from outside our Solar System in direct [competition] with the first. —Tom DeLonge (Feb. 23, 2023)

I think what we’re what we’re dealing with here is possibly a group of non-human intelligences, some being interdimensional, some being from outside our galaxy, other parts of the universe, visiting us through their capacity to warp space-time, but I also think there is a possibility that what we are talking about is what they call crypto-terrestrial. It’s been here all along. […] [Tim Gallaudet] has talked about anomalous phenomena that he was briefed into whilst he was working for the Coast Guard. And he has speculated quite openly about the possibility that whatever this non-human intelligence is, one of the most vast and unexplored areas of our planet is underwater, and a lot of the phenomena that is being reported is coming […] from the oceans. —Ross Coulthart (Sep. 25, 2023)

Any culture once exposed to the magnitude of a planetary catastrophe … will be wary of the planet’s surface, for the latter is a notoriously exposed and volatile region … And since such a post-apocalyptic culture would have been reduced to relatively few members, their requirements for living space would also be relatively modest. Depending on the surviving level of their technology, they could have made a home for themselves underwater or underground. —Bernardo Kastrup, PhD (Jan. 6, 2024)

Some varieties of the “ultra-terrestrial” hypothesis are also consistent. As Col. Karl Nell defined it in late 2023: “The term Ultra-Terrestrial refers to any sentient lifeform regardless of ultimate origin that has resided on Earth, or in its local environs – under/land, under/sea, aero/space – for significant duration in a semi-permanent (albeit covert) status excluding humans from modern-day civilization and their known antecedents.”

Here is what the Cassiopaeans have said on the subject over the years.

May 7, 1995

Q: (L) Does someone or something, as in people, or civilizations, or a group, or organization, exist inside Mount Shasta in California?
A: No.
Q: (J) Is there any truth to the rumor of the mystical power surrounding Mount Shasta?
A: Roundabout only.
Q: (T) But, Mount Shasta, itself, doesn’t have any power related to it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Yes, Mount Shasta, itself, but not any group or entities, is that correct?
A: Yes.

In The Under-People, Norman writes: “California’s 14,380-foot Mt. Shasta is the site of numerous legends concerning white-robed, gold-sandaled ‘masters,’ Lemurian treasure caves and weird, unusual music, which floats through the Siskiyou County forests at night.” Childress writes: “In 1934, Guy Warren Ballard wrote a book entitled Unveiled Mysteries under his pen name Godfrey Ray King. In this book he described many out-of-body tours he had taken to a secret city of high-tech ancient wonders at Mount Shasta, or thereabouts.”

There are several books detailing the legends and UFO/UAP sightings associated with Shasta, e.g., Brian David Wallenstein’s Mount Shasta Sightings (2012), D.W. Naef’s Mount Shasta’s Forgotten History & Legends (2018), and Grant Cameron’s The Portals and UFOs of Mount Shasta (2020). (See the references to Mt. Shasta in the underground bases series.)

August 5, 1995

Q: (L) Does the Agartha exist?
A: No.

Given the statements below about an underground civilization, this answer presumably implies that the specific features, name, and/or location, of this civilization are not necessarily accurately represented in the stories related by, e.g., Saint-Yves in The Kingdom of Agarttha.

October 14, 1995

A: Vietnam MIA’s, where do you suppose they are now?
Q: (L) Well, I’m hoping you’re going to tell us! (TK) Have they been abducted? (T) Some of them got blown up so badly that they couldn’t be found, so they were listed as MIAs, because they couldn’t mark them as KIAs. Some of them are deserters […] Well, deserters would fall into several classifications, which I won’t bother getting into. Some of them went into the drug trade. (TK) Some of them just decided they liked it better over there. (T) Yeah, there’s that, and some of them, I would imagine, have been either abducted or swapped, moved into the secret government. (L) Is all of this correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) That’s why they can’t tell people where they are […]
A: KIA’s… are a separate subject!! KIA’s, how many really were?
Q: (T) How many of the 60,000 really were killed? How many of them are listed as dead when they’re not? […] (TK) There were so many different kinds of people that went over there, they could have recruited a bunch. […] (L) OK, now, are you going to give us a hint as to where they are and what they’re doing right now? Are these some of the people working in these underground places?
A: Yes...Yes…Yes.
Q: (L) That’s where those personnel are coming from… their lives, they have died the philosopher’s death.
A: And many other places, times. Etc…
Q: (TK) Wars all through the ages. How many are we talking about? (L) What kind of a number are we talking about here?
A: Since your imagination center is on low frequency tonight, suppose we have to spell it all out for you, but at least it is fun to watch the impact, like “a ton of bricks” falling on your heads!!
Q: (L) Go ahead, spell it out for us. How many are we talking about here?
A: W.W.II, 72,355, still alive where????
Q: (L) Is that the correct figure? […]
A: Yes.
Q: (T) That’s how many people the secret government has snatched up? […] That were supposedly killed in action… [The United States had 407,300 military casualties, MIA and KIA, in WWII. The total for all nations was between 21,000,000 and 25,500,000.]
A: Yes.
Q: (T) From all branches of the service.
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) These people aren’t aging; they’re still in action and ready to go…
A: Precisely, my friends!!!
Q: (J) OK, that’s just WWII. (TK) How about Korea, Vietnam, etc. (L) All right, what’s the figure from Korea? […]
A: 6,734. [Total in-theater deaths were 36,574; 8,075 of these are listed as “no remains.”]
Q: […] (TK) How about the Gulf War?
A: Yes. 55. [195 U.S. and UK troops were KIA; another 145 Americans died in non-combat accidents.]
Q: (T) Yeah, there was about 55,000 casualties in Korea [see note above], in the four years of Korea. Really it was three and a half years in Korea. So 6,000 means about a little over 10% of them aren’t really dead. [What about Vietnam?]
A: 23,469. [Total U.S. MIA and KIA were 59,865.] […]
Q: (T) …are still alive?
A: Yes.
Q: (T): So you’ve got 23,000 from…
A: Some are body-duplicate soul-receptacle replacements. […]
Q: (L) Are there any Civil War individuals involved in this project, these underground tunnels or bases or whatever? […]
A: A few.
Q: (T) Well, the further back you go, the specialties weren’t developed. But a specialist is a specialist, no matter what the war.
A: Not point.
Q: (L) I think the point is who they are. Now, in the Matrix material [by Val Valerian], there’s a section extracted from the L. Ron Hubbard teachings that talks about technical abilities to jerk people’s souls out of their bodies, insert other souls, reprogram the memories, essentially that there is no congruency…
A: False.
Q: (L) OK, so the jerking out and the manipulating of souls as described by L. Ron Hubbard is false? In a general sense?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead people and put their souls in a replacement body, so that they can continue living on, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and reanimate them and then put other souls in them?
A: No.
Q: (T) Now, wait now, you’re saying some of them… I’m lost now. […]
A: For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is duplicated, his soul is replaced into new body, then he is “reprogrammed for service” to aliens and SG [secret government].
Q: (L) Where does the new body come from? (TK) Cloned, basically. […]
A: It is duplicate of old body.

A similar idea can be found in “Branton’s” Dulce Book: “Some abductees claim that certain reptilian factions have such complex bio-technologies that they are able to remove a human’s soul-energy-matrix […] in some cases the reptiloids can create a cloned duplicate of a person in a short amount of time through time warping and replace the soul-energy-matrix of a person back into the new cloned body if their disappearance from society would otherwise create too many problems.”

Q: (T) Where do they get the duplicate? (L) Where do they get the material for the duplicate? […]
A: TDARM [transdimensional atomic remolecularization].
Q: […] (T) Otherwise known in Star Trek as a “replicator.” (TK) Does somebody have to die in a certain way before they can do this?
A: No.
A: (TK) Is there a time limit on how long they can be dead?
A: No.
Q: (T) Well, because when your physical body dies, your soul body continues on. Your soul doesn’t die, so they always have it. (L) They don’t want to take your body out of the graveyard, because they’re not concerned about the body.
A: Zero time.
Q: (T) Because there’s no time… (L) They use the frequency vibration of the soul pattern, they take it into another density, use their TDARM technology to cause a molecular re-assembly; in other words, the atoms begin to whir and assemble around it in the pattern that it had before, and then it is a full-fledged body, and then they insert it back through the time doorway into 3D again. Is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: […] (T) OK, you said… let’s use Vietnam. You said there were 23,000 KIA’s of the 60,000 that actually were not killed in action. True? Yes?
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We’re not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, there are some that were killed in action that the actual bodies were reanimated? (J) As long as they weren’t blown up in a land mine, yeah. (L) There were actually bodies that were actually reanimated, is that correct?
A: Some, but most were duplicated.
Q: (L) Now this leads to the immediate question: Is there some potentiality that is created by dying in a violent manner, i.e., in war, in an atmosphere of war, that makes one susceptible to this particular type of activity, as opposed to just people dying in an ordinary sense? (J) Negative energy…
A: No.
Q: (T) No, because violent death like that, we have violent death all the time without being in a war: car crashes, fires, explosions…
A: War makes covert actions so easy.

Australian researcher Moira McGhee also comes to this conclusion in The Alien Gene (2020), in the context of two British Army disappearances that occurred in 1898: “Widespread battles and military action provide an ideal situation to quickly scoop-up and interfere with hundreds, probably thousands of men, and interfere with their biology, any suffering stress and fatigue would not remember – others reluctant to ever report such an event to their commanding officers.”

Former Air Force intelligence officer and crash-retrieval researcher Leonard Stringfield received an account from one of his sources involving aliens snatching bodies in Cambodia during the Vietnam War:

The aliens were handling a large pile of various parts of human bodies and placed them in large containers: arms, legs, torso, heads; this horrible list went on and on. Some were the remains of white people, others were black, and others looked like Vietnamese. What they saw sobered and angered the special forces, and the commander gave the order to open fire. The bullets hit the creatures, but they did not do any harm, except for one, who was killed by a shot in the head.

One of the “MJ-12” documents given to Timothy Cooper in 1995 by his source “Thomas C. Cantwell” (possibly identified as CIA operative Boris Tarasoff), supposedly a draft annual report believed to be from 1952, included the following:

In the annuls [sic] of warfare mass disappearances of soldiers and their equipment are rare but are on record. In the eighteenth century during the Spanish War of Succession, 4,000 soldiers were reported to have disappeared, together with their weapons and equipment (horses included). In 1885, about 600 French colonial soldiers disappeared near Saigon, French Indo-China, without a trace of them nor their equipment. On August 21 1915, members of the New Zealand Army Corps’ First Field Company signed sworn statements that they say the One-Fourth Norfolk Regiment disappear in a [sic] unusually thick brown cloud wich [sic] seemed to move and rose upward and vanished. There were no traces of the regiment nor their equipment. No explanation can be found in the historical records of the Imperial War Museum archives. In 1939, over 2,900 Chinese Nationalists troops were reported missing from their camp, just south of Nanking. Again, men, equipment, guns, were missing though camp fires and mess tents were undisturbed. During the Pacific campaign, there have been instances where whole platoons and larger units seemed to have disappeared without any sign of combat or a struggle. Men, equipment, weapons—vanish without a trace. In all instances the disappearances occurred in tropical climate and in the heat of battle or near combat scenes
Missing aircraft, pilots and crews, are of special concern to the military when no explanations fit the usual reasons outside of combat.

Timothy Renner brings up a possible Bigfoot connection in Where the Footprints End vol. 1 (2020): “Rumors persist of a ghoul, a corpse-eating monster lurking around Chickamauga. As the tale goes, a large, hairy creature—or creatures—were seen picking over the corpses of Confederate soldiers and making off with the bodies during lulls in the fighting.”

Q: (L) Were some of these bodies taken, like dead bodies of somebody who just died… were the bodies picked up, taken into another density for this remolecularization patterning?
A: Yes.
Q: […] (TK) Did they actually get the bodies before anybody actually… (T) Before they were recovered, yes. Were the original bodies returned once the duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they were, and sometimes, no, they weren’t. (J) It would be case by case. (T) Were some of these supposed “killed-in-actions” actually not killed? Were they still alive when they were removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense a “crime of opportunity.” (J) It’s a supermarket of opportunities. (T) Some were just taken by the secret government when they were alive, some were dead and brought back in new bodies to continue on, and they were considered dead, but they’re all considered dead. […]
A: Taken by aliens, not SG. Secret government aware to some extent, but not in control of operation.
Q: […] (T) Now, what are the aliens doing with these bodies, with the humans that they replicate and duplicate and reanimate? What are they doing with them?
A: Serve them.
Q: (T) So these humans are becoming servants for the aliens?
A: Workers.

Håkan Blomqvist notes “a very cryptic statement” in contactee Howard Menger’s 1959 book From Outer Space to You. One of Menger’s “space women” told him:

“…there is a very powerful group on this planet, which possesses tremendous knowledge of technology, psychology, and most unfortunate of all, advanced brain therapy. They are using certain key people in the governments of your world. This group is anti-God, and might be termed instruments of your mythical ‘Satan’. […] They use people not only from this planet,” the young lady continued, “but people from Mars as well. […] Also OTHER PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN PLANET—PEOPLE YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT. People who live unobserved and undiscovered as yet. It is a kind of ‘underground,’ in your popular terminology.”

October 21, 1995

Q: (L) The other night, when we were talking about the underground laboratories and the taking of the MIA and KIA individuals from WWII, that would seem to imply that the underground tunnel system and the alien activity that has been going on there has been going on a lot longer than since 1947, is this correct?
A: Yes, but in much less intensive form.
Q: (L) OK, it’s gotten a lot more intensive since 1947 or thereabouts. Well, the thing that I want to know: is there any relationship between these underground laboratories and facilities and our cultural concept of Hell?
A: Not in such a simplistic sense.
Q: (L) Well, I’m just curious as to whether the concept of Hell being underground, where people were tortured and worked on and all kinds of miseries going on arose from some people who escaped from, or psychically intuited…
A: Link, but not unified.
Q: (L) Is there a Hell?
A: No.

May 4, 1996

Q: (L) One of the things we talked about the last time Tom [TK] was here was about the underground bases and military interference in civilian affairs and civilian interface with military affairs. […] One of the questions we were dealing with was the use of warfare to create situations in which bodies could be taken…
A: Warfare has many “uses.”
Q: (L) Could you list for us some of the most common uses of warfare?
A: Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous replacement of gene pool. Factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity, replacement of key personnel according to frequency-vibration pre-readings…
Q: (TH) Who or what in the gene pool is being replaced? (TK) Whoever they want replaced. (L) Well, you know how it is in the movies… everybody is indiscriminately making love before they go into battle… […] OK, do you mean to say that war…
A: Creates “environment” for unnoticed genetic modifications because of greatly heightened exchange of both physical and ethereal factors.
Q: (L) What do you mean by “replacement of key personnel”? Key personnel according to whose definition?
A: 4th-density STS.
Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.
Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations…
A: Both.
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new “underground race” of humans, both from direct capture followed by “reeducation,” and spawning activity using these persons and others.
Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.

This idea of replacing “key personnel” was returned to in 2024:

April 27, 2024

Q: (Altair) In an older session, the C’s mentioned replacement of human key personnel conducted by 4D STS. How many such people are on the surface of our planet at the moment? […] (L) How many key individuals are replacement of human key personnel, say, in government? What’s the percentage? Because we’re assuming key personnel are government, right?
A: Not always.
Q: (L) So it would be different percentages in different groups?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Could we say that, for example, influencers on social media could be considered key personnel?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, is there a percentage on that one?
A: 13.
Q: (Andromeda) Just for social media. (Niall) 13% of them are what are replaced. What does that mean? (L) I guess they’re replaced by underground or... (Andromeda) Or what?
A: Walk-ins.
Q: (Andromeda) People that work at nuclear facilities as well, ya know? (L) That could be, yeah. People in nuclear facilities, people in the military, police. […] People in the military have been replaced?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) People in the government have been replaced. People on, say, media, like television or whatever, have some of them been replaced?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And it varies according to what field they’re in as to how many are replaced?
A: Yes.
Q: (Joe) Was Joe Biden replaced?
A: No. He is just senile and a useful puppet.
Q: (L) Yeah, I mean, if they’re going to put somebody there, they’d make ’em at least functional! (Andromeda) Yeah. (L) All right, so basically, we really can’t get just, like, a general overall figure, can we?
A: 20 percent.
Q: (L) 20% overall. Could be higher in some and lower in others. Is that it? So, this is an average using figures from all the different...?
A: Yes
Q: (L) OK. So, just as long as everybody understands what that’s an average of, because obviously, in some fields there’ll be a lot more and in some there’ll be a lot less. I would say that among the global elite, it’s probably like 50% or more.

Continuing with the 1996 session:

Q: […] (L) How can an entire race of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so wild an idea…
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren’t saying that the Earth is hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles [i.e. 5,000 km, around the boundary between the inner and outer cores].
Q: (L) That’s pretty deep! But wouldn’t it be too hot at that depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F [i.e. 20 degrees C].
Q: (TK) That’s pretty comfortable! (L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.

The odd description of the light in underground bases (as well as within UFOs) comes up repeatedly in the various sources. Norman’s “Gordon Nicholas” describes the experience of a hypothetical Tibetan monk granted access to “Agartha”: “Throughout his visit in the inner world, the monk will be warmed by a peculiar white light. The strange light is the equivalent of our sun and the cavern cities, passages, and tunnels are illuminated by it.” (This echoes what Ossendowski related in the quotation further above.)

This diffused light is also sometimes described in abduction cases involving a journey to an underground locale (cataloged by Thomas Bullard in his 1987 work UFO Abductions: The Measure of a Mystery). For example, Jorjani cites the abduction account of José Benedito Bogea (related in Bob Pratt’s UFO Danger Zone), who described “waking up in a strange city with no sky, just empty and undefined space above his head. He could not see the Sun or identify the source of the ambient luminosity that was akin to daylight. […] He noted that the temperature was uniform the whole time that he was there, as if the place were air-conditioned.”

Jorjani also summarizes Linda Howe’s source (see the underground bases series), who described a base in Antarctica: “On the other side of the door was a room that was 9 acres in size, filled with a lime-green luminescence that could not be traced to any identifiable light fixtures or point of origin. […] Even though it was about 40 degrees below zero outside, the inside temperature of the room had been regulated to be around 70 degrees Fahrenheit.”

Q: (L) Well, aren’t they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!
Q: (L) Does any of this underground civilization activity have any relation to this massive underground base the Russians are building?
A: No.
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) Well, we’ll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
A: Completely.
Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.

This would place the origin of this civilization during the Younger Dryas and prior to the YD impact event. Jorjani describes a scenario like this: “These early societies, such as ancient Egypt, Sumer, Mesoamerica, the Indus River Valley civilization, and so forth, were colonial fragments of an even older, unified planetary civilization established on Earth by our Ancestors. This civilization, which collapsed circa 12,000 years BP, is what Plato referred to as ‘Atlantis.’ […] [In Antarctica], and throughout the Earth’s oceans (specifically in their continental shelves), surviving ‘Atlanteans’ still maintain subterranean and submarine bases the size of cities.”

Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to time for various reasons…
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by comparison! Hibernation tubes… One heartbeat per hour, for example.
Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4,200 years… (L) Does any of this have anything to do with that crazy pit at Oak Island?
A: In an offhand way.
Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this? (TK) We don’t!
A: You have been the “preparation committee.”
Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas and so forth to make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.
Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that. […] Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can’t just come in and wipe us out and replace us, because the “rules” won’t allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.
Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming in and taking over?
A: No.
Q: (TK) I don’t think it is like the law of gravity…
A: What “law” is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd-density beings at will?!?