Q: (F) I read something last night that said a scientist had been working at one of the bases, or he was a tech working at a super-secret complex somewhere, and he was working on something in some underground room and the elevator door opened and he saw, standing there, right before his eyes, a Lizard being. He said that the elevator must have been malfunctioning because it wasn’t supposed to stop at that level, and he wasn’t supposed to see it. In another instance, someone saw two Grays working on something in a hangar and they were told by an MP to leave or they would be shot. (L) Are these stories Frank is recounting about Lizzies being on elevators and Grays working in hangars, are these true stories or are they disinformation?
A: True.
When Dr. Leo Sprinkle put Myrna Hansen through hypnotic regression to her abduction, she reported being taken to an underground area that AFOSI agent Richard Doty reportedly identified as a restricted area of the base under the Manzano Weapons Storage Area. She further described seeing vats containing body parts, as well as Grays working side by side with humans. Seven years later, Christa Tilton reported an almost identical experience, believing the base to be in Dulce (see below).
This all begs the question: who exactly are the humans participating with the aliens at these bases? Are there official agreements of some sort? This topic will be covered in a future article, but in the meantime, here are a few such claims from recent years.
Haim Eshed is a retired brigadier general in Israeli Military Intelligence who also held high-level positions as director of space programs for Israel’s MoD, former chair of the Space Committee of the National Council for Research and Development for the Ministry of Science, Technology and Space, and member of the steering committee of Israel Space Agency. In 2020, saying he had nothing to lose by coming forward at that point, he told journalists: “There is an agreement between the U.S. government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here.” More recently, as tweeted by TheJuan:
In a recent appearance on Fade to Black, Linda Moulton Howe said the following about her recent investigations into the “Tall White” NHIs: “Near Nellis AFB, the Tall Whites have a territory that is underground and humans are not allowed in. There is an agreement/treaty whereby they receive exclusive access to this facility and in return provide humans with tech.”
And finally, NRO/NGA/UAPTF whistleblower David Grusch has hinted at the reality of such “agreements”:
Col. Karl Nell, reportedly one of Grusch’s 40 firsthand witnesses, hinted at the same thing in a slide for his Sol Foundation talk in late 2023:
See point number 4 on the “pro” list.
In early 1995, Laura had worked with some abductees who reported being taken to underground bases or tunnels where large laboratories were set up, similar to the accounts of Hansen and Tilton. The next session dealt with these issues:
(L) Well, is there any restriction on travel to Antarctica?
A: Some.
Q: (L) Why?
A: We have mentioned bases.
Q: (Galatea) Oh, speaking of… Are there lots of bases under the Yukon?
A: No.
Continuing the previous session:
Q: (T) Are they [the Antarctic bases] related to the tunnels in time?
A: Vague.
Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground in Antarctica built by the Germans during World War II?
A: Sect.
Q: (T) Nazis?
A: Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.
The Nazis had advanced underground construction capabilities, including among some of the scientists and engineers brought to the U.S. in Operation Paperclip. They built numerous “in-mountain” bases for industrial production during the war, for instance. Nazi Antarctic bases and UFOs will be covered in more detail in the future collections. In short, an entire mythos has accreted around the idea, including German secret societies, telepathic and/or physical contact with alien races, the search for Atlantis/Hyperborea/Ultima Thule, the creation of man-made flying saucers, bases in Antarctica developed following the German 1938/39 expedition, a post-WWII survival there and in South America, and a shootout with U.S. Admiral Byrd during Operation High Jump after the war.
One of the first seeds of this mythos popped up in a 1947 book by Ladislas Szabo (Hitler Is Alive), who claimed to have made a journey to the bases by submarine (a claim denied by U-boat 977 Captain Shaeffer, who commanded one of the subs in question). Ernst Zundel developed these ideas in the 1970s, and Miguel Serrano took them up in the 1980s. In 1980, W. A. Harbinson began a series of novels on these themes, eventually compiling his research into a non-fiction book called Projekt UFO in 1995. Joscelyn Godwin devoted parts of chapter 10 of his book Arktos: The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism, and Nazi Survival (1996) to the idea. See also chapter 8 of Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke’s Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity (2002). Since then numerous other authors have written on these themes, including Henry Stevens (flying-saucer and weapons technology) and Joseph P. Farrell (who believes the Nazis produced viable saucer tech, but doesn’t think Antarctic bases are plausible).
Contemporary support for the existence of such bases comes from a few sources. First, Oscar Wayne Wolff told Linda Moulton Howe that he read files in the CIA archives mentioning the post-war Nazi flight to the base in Antarctica and firefight with Adm. Byrd. (William Mills Tompkins made similar claims.) Howe also interviewed two anonymous whistleblowers on the topic. First was “Brian S.,” a Navy flight engineer stationed in Antarctica from 1983 to 1997.
Brian related three anomalous events: seeing a large hole in the ice at the pole below restricted airspace in ’85/86 (possibly resembling this one), a mission to retrieve 15 scientists who had been missing for several weeks in ’94/95 (they seemed to have PTSD and their equipment was quarantined and sent to a base in Ohio, probably Wright-Patterson), and seeing several silver disc-shaped craft flying over the Transantarctic mountains in ’95/96. He also overheard bar-talk of a joint alien/human base and of scientists working alongside “strange-looking ‘men.’”
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In her documentary Antarctica: Alien Secrets Beneath the Ice (2019), Howe interviewed an ex-Navy Seal who claimed to have entered an ancient, octagonal base made of black stone, which extended deep underground, in 2003. The door to the base was inscribed with the Black Sun symbol, the walls with unrecognizable hieroglyphics. The large, empty inner chambers were lit in green light that seemed to emanate from nowhere; the temperature inside was around 70 degrees Fahrenheit.
Sources like the above have been utilized and summarized in two recent works attempting to put all the pieces together into a coherent picture:
Michael Salla: Antarctica’s Hidden History: Corporate Foundations of Secret Space Programs (2018)
Jason Reza Jorjani: Closer Encounters (2021) [Chapters 3 and 5]
Jorjani’s imaginative thesis is somewhat consistent with the statement above about “cycles and circles.” He argues that the Germans, as part of a wider group of Northern European (“Nordic”) Anglo-Saxons, not only developed Antarctic bases and became a sort of “breakaway civilization,” but through time travel in a sense became their own grandfathers in a time loop, having established high-tech outposts there in prehistory as the “Atlanteans” of legend. (Atlantis will be the subject of a future series.)
Q: (L) In other words, these tunnels were built by and belong to the Consortium, is that correct?
A: Circles within circles.
Q: (L) Masons?
A: One example of concept.
Q: (T) Jan and I have a friend who has told us about someone she knew who found entrances to tunnel systems in North America. One of the entrances was in the Adirondacks, another was in the Mammoth Cave system. Was what she was told true?
A: Yes, but there are thousands of entrances. Are you ready for a “shocker?”
Q: (J) Oh, you know we are always ready for a shocker. (L) Sure! (T) OK, give us the shocker. (J) We’re ready!
A: There is a tunnel right beneath your feet!
Q: (J) I knew they were going to say that. […] (L) How deep under our feet?
A: 2,000 feet.
Q: (T) Is anything moving in that tunnel?
A: Vague.
Q: (T) Is that tunnel being used?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Right at this second?
A: Open.
Q: (L) Who uses it more than anybody else?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Are there humans down there?
A: Have been, listen for sound anomalies such as loud sonic boom–like noises and vague motorized sounds.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of electronic gadgetry down there causing my appliances to keep breaking down?
A: Maybe. […]
Q: (SV) Does this tunnel hook up with the doorway in the old stone house on Grand Boulevard that nobody has been able to open or cut through?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Is there an entrance to this tunnel underneath us somewhere in this area?
A: Near power plant.
Q: (T) Crystal River? (L) No, Anclote. (T) Is that why the power plant is built there?
A: Related; old Nike base.
According to Wikipedia, the Anclote base was used to test Regulus II missiles: “The Air Force Systems Command military installation, site D3 of the Eglin Range Complex, was used for development tests, e.g., 1950s/1960s Regulus II supersonic cruise missile firings from the Venice missile launch complex.” The Nike bases in Florida were located in the Homestead-Miami area on the southeastern coast.
Q: (T) What direction does this tunnel run that is underneath us?
A: East–west.
Q: (T) Out under the Gulf of Mexico?
A: No.
Q: (T) Where does the West end?
A: Just described.
Q: (L) The power plant. (T) OK, where does the east end go?
A: Near Lakeland.
Q: (T) What is in Lakeland that would have a tunnel entrance in it? Why Lakeland?
A: Not issue.
Q: (L) What is on the surface may have no relationship to the tunnel.
A: Transfer point and redirector.
Q: (T) Is there another tunnel that comes into this tunnel, that intersects this tunnel?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Near Lakeland?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is that what you are talking about? A transfer point?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Does that tunnel travel north–south?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Does that run up the East Coast?
A: No.
Q: (L) Lakeland is in the center of the state. (T) Where does it go? Are these side tunnels to a main tunnel that runs along the East Coast?
A: All are interconnected.
Q: (T) So, it is like a subway or bus line? Is there a tunnel farther south of here?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) How far does the farthest south tunnel go?
A: Antarctica.
This contradicts a previous answer above, where they responded negatively to the question of any tunnels leading to Antarctica, though they answered “okay” to there being a roundabout way of getting there via the tunnel system.
Q: (J) Is there a tunnel near our house, in St. Petersburg?
A: No.
Q: (T) Is there a tunnel to MacDill?
A: No.
Q: (L) I think that, in general, importance we would ascribe to surface structures may not be a consideration here. (T) I was thinking about the military base. (L) I would think that the tunnels bear no relationship to the structures under the surface except in certain instances. (J) But, what got there first, the tunnels or the structures on the surface? (L) Obviously the tunnels have been there for a long time, and perhaps, in certain instances a situation may be manipulated so that a specific structure is built to facilitate the tunnel usage, but the fact that Lakeland is built over it may not be relevant. (T) There is no entrance to the tunnel system near Lakeland?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) And there are no tunnels down in Pinellas?
A: Phosphate plant.
Probably a reference to the Lakeland location, as Pinellas is outside the mineable limit. See for example the old Se7en Wetlands mine in Lakeland.
Q: (T) There’s a tunnel entrance in the phosphate plant? […]
A: Mine.
Q: (T) There is a tunnel entrance in one of the phosphate mines?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Was the placement of this tunnel under our feet the reason Laura got this house?
A: No.
Q: (T) Does the placement of the tunnel underneath us have something to do with the channel?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) Because of the greater EM underneath us; we are tapping into that EM energy?
A: Helps in offhand way.
One more question was asked later in 1995 about this tunnel:
Q: (L) What I want to know, is this tunnel that’s under the house, which you have said is straight down under my house, is it a tunnel? Is there like a laboratory under the house, or is it just a tunnel that’s used for traveling from one facility to another?
Q: (L) In terms of finite numbers, how many of these STS aliens of any different group, or any combination of groups all together, do we have operating on this planet at the present time?
A: Specify.
Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet?
A: 300,000.
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges [i.e. orange-haired, presumably “Nordics”]?
A: 62,530.
Q: (L) How many Grays?
A: 2,750,000.
Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture! (J) No s**t. (L) Are most of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time? I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth.
Q: (J) Just like they said in the very beginning. (T) When you asked how many of them are here, in third density? (L) On the planet…
A: And others.
Q: (L) I didn’t specify the density. Just in our immediate planetary area. (T) That’s how many of them are working this project. (L) […] We have here some drawings of supposed alien servants [from the “Pulsar Project” booklet]. […] OK, now this one is a real pleasant-looking fellow. [Is it real?]
A: Yes. Occupies Dulce base.
This is the first mention of the Dulce base, said to be located in the vicinity of Dulce, NM, below the Archuleta Mesa/Mt. Archuleta. Electronics expert Paul Bennewitz first introduced the idea in the early 1980s. Bennewitz had witnessed UFOs over Kirtland AFB starting in the late 1970s and claimed to have developed a method of intercepting alien transmissions electronically, and even an anti-UFO weapon. (The Air Force gave him a $75,000 grant to continue his research.) He closely investigated the Myrna Hansen case. After reporting his initial findings to the base in 1980, the Air Force infamously launched a disinformation campaign against him, which arguably had a negative effect on his mental health.
Information about the base is said to have come from those electronic communications (which some researchers believe to have been spoofed by Air Force intelligence). Those who believe that Bennewitz simply stumbled onto a black program think that all the paranormal claims were deliberate disinformation. These include the ideas of underground alien bases, abducted humans, and alien hybridization programs. (Incidentally, Bennewitz was one of the first to propose the idea of alien implants.) By contrast, the Cassiopaeans suggest that all these aspects are true. As Michael Salla writes:
[In Project Beta, Greg] Bishop assumes that Bennewitz’s claims were a result of the disinformation being fed to him. He doesn’t seriously consider that Bennewitz’s central claims were accurate and that rumors of disinformation were used to discredit the genuine information Bennewitz was disseminating.
Bennewitz is also the source of the idea that there was a violent alien-human confrontation of some sort within the base. In a 1984 interview, he told Jim McCampbell: “In 1979 something happened and the base was closed. There was an argument over weapons and our people were chased out, more than 100 people involved.” 66 were killed. Bennewitz claimed this information came via the above-mentioned transmissions.
In 1987, the “Dulce Papers” started circulating, alleged to be an insider account of the 1979 confrontation by a man named “Thomas E. Castello” who claimed to have been security personnel on the base. The papers (which included photographs and video) were distributed to a handful of researchers, including John Lear (who also claimed to have heard from four firsthand sources regarding the base). Many researchers dismissed them as disinformation (e.g. Christa Tilton and Greg Valdez), and that appears to be the case. The man who first distributed the files, “Tal Levesque” (aka “Jason Bishop III”), later admitted this to Adam Gorightly, though he claimed to have mixed in truth with creative fiction:
I took rantings from a heavily drugged woman Ann West (a.k.a., Cherry Hinkle), made corrections to stuff that was really wrong, added my own real research, mixed it together. […] I mixed stuff I was not supposed to make public into the DULCE MYTH. The goal was to manipulate Ufology into another direction.
The papers tell of a multilevel underground base where Reptilians and Grays worked alongside humans. One level contained humans in cages, the victims of permanent abduction who were used as lab rats. A rebellion on the part of some of the human security personnel and worker-caste Reptilians resulted in a confrontation that claimed the lives of dozens of humans. Salla adds:
The Dulce Papers described genetic experimentation, development of human-extraterrestrial hybrids, use of mind control through advanced computers, cold storage of humans in liquid filled vats, and even the use of human body parts as a nutritional source for extraterrestrial (ET) races.
The video below is allegedly clipped from a longer video provided by “Castello.”
In 1991, Bob Lazar claimed to have read a very similar account of such a confrontation at an underground base in briefing documents, though he implies that the base was Area 51. Here’s what Lazar said at the time:
There was an exchange of hardware and information in central Nevada until 1979, at which time there was a conflict which brought the program to an abrupt halt. The beings left but were to return at a [later] date.
The alleged cause of the firefight was a security guard who had brought a firearm into a secure area. This detail matches Bennewitz’s original story.
In 1995, geological engineer Phil Schneider came forward claiming to have worked construction for the base in 1979, and to have survived the confrontation, which occurred when the drilling team stumbled into a cavern previously occupied by Grays and resulted in 66 deaths (the same number Bennewitz gave). He claimed the base was a seven-level military structure that had been “accidentally” built on top of an existing alien base.
Next came “Colonel X,” who spoke with Anthony F. Sanchez in 2010. The colonel told Sanchez that Bennewitz and Schneider both had real knowledge of Dulce, but that “Castello” didn’t exist:
What does exist is a massive facility discovered in 1940 by the Muroc Expedition which has since been augmented and holds a small community of Greys who work with us, and sometimes against us. Look, I am not saying there are no such things as Reptilians. Simply because I’ve seen some strange things to make me believe that the impossible is quite possible! Do they exist? I do not know. But, are they in Dulce? The answer is emphatically, no.
Finally, in the last year, Michael Herrera has claimed to have heard of a similar 1978 encounter (a confrontation between human forces and captive aliens) from sources within a crash-retrieval black program. He also asserts that he has been informed that there is a base at Dulce.
After this article was published, we asked about this aspect of Dulce:
Q: (Approaching Infinity) Was there a violent confrontation between aliens and humans at the Dulce base in the late 1970s as originally claimed by Paul Bennewitz?
A: Yes.
Q: (Approaching Infinity) Did Phil Schneider do work for the Dulce base?
A: Yes.
Q: (Approaching Infinity) Did he survive the firefight as he claimed?
A: Yes.
Q: (Approaching Infinity) Was the confrontation Lazar read about the same one?
A: Yes.
For more on the Bennewitz affair and Dulce, see the following works:
A: Suggest more questions about the goings on at underground facilities. Jan and Terry were visitors involuntary when went to Albuquerque and Las Vegas!
Q: (J) Oh, really! […] (L) You were in an underground base? (T) We were in a front door of an underground base. We were in Carlsbad Caverns, and I know that there’s a government facility at the other end of it, and they won’t talk about it. (J) Is that what they mean? (T) You’re talking about Carlsbad?
A: Abducted.
Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
A: Yes. […]
Q: (L) OK, now, in this episode where Terry and Jan were taken to an underground base, can you identify the location of the underground facility?
A: Socorro, NM.
Albuquerque is the location of Kirtland Air Force Base, and Socorro is about 13 miles northwest of the boundary to White Sands Missile Range, both of which host underground facilities, as we saw inPart 1.
Q: (J) We were in Socorro, weren’t we? (T) We went through Socorro… We stopped at the geological school. (L) OK, what was done to them when they were in this underground facility?
A: Quick exam.
Q: […] (L) Who was in charge of this base, this facility? What group?
A: Orion Union STS.
Q: […] (T) Did we get taken to the base because we happened to be close by at the time when they grabbed us? Was it an opportunity for them?
A: Close.
Q: (T) Did they know we were coming out there?
A: Yes.
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