Reverse Engineering

Crash Retrievals and Reverse Engineering Part 4

If world powers like the United States, Russia and China are in possession of non-human craft and bodies, it follows that they would engage in efforts to reverse engineer that technology in order to make scientific advancements, particularly in the spheres of national defense and advanced weapon systems. We have already quoted the C’s stating that Bob Lazar did work on reverse-engineering alien craft, and that while minor points were off, his descriptions of the propulsion system he studied were fairly accurate (1994-10-28). They also claimed that by the mid-1990s, the U.S. government was in possession of 36 such craft (1994-10-10).

The first suggestions of reverse engineering appeared in Scully’s 1950 book with “Dr. Gee’s” descriptions of lightweight seemingly metallic material stronger than steel, “strange cloth,” glass-like material and mechanisms that appeared to produce anti-gravity effects. More recently AAWSAP’s Dr. James Lacatski summarized some of the anomalous material features associated with UAPs in his 2025 book, Inside the U.S. Government Covert UFO Program: New Insights:

1. Openings and panels with no seam before and after opening and closing.

2. Apparent structural materials that are super-tough or flexible without fracturing, yet very lightweight.

3. Apparent material structures that have a specific composition, making them amenable to quantum effects at the nuclear level (e.g., quantum spin).

4. Structural materials that can be made instantly transparent.

5. Form-fitting garments with unusual properties.

6. Materials of unusual spectral luminous characteristics.

7. Materials able to withstand ultra-high-g forces.

8. Thin light-intensifying materials, novel integrated circuits, etc.

Given the descriptions of alien technology and biology so far, study of their properties could lead to advances in a number of fields, such as stealth and invisibility, power generation, propulsion, directed energy, metamaterials, nanotechnology, shape-changing materials, genetic engineering, biological weapons, artificial intelligence, mind control, memory wiping, altered states of consciousness, brain-computer interfaces and paranormal phenomena. It may even have inspired some of those fields.

Three decades after Scully, Stringfield’s sources also touched upon reverse engineering. For example, he quotes a “retired army officer of high rank who got the information, firsthand, from an equally cautious source” who had worked in Texas upgrading radar equipment in 1955. One evening he was taken, hooded, along with other technical experts, onto a local air force base. They were escorted to “a converted aircraft hangar, floor and walls entirely painted blue” (possibly the infamous “Blue Room” at Wright-Pat) with shelves and tables covered in objects. “They were told that they were to study each object and determine its purpose, operating parameters, and whether or not it could be duplicated.” The objects included “many things such as lasers, integrated circuits, printed circuit boards of now commonplace design.” A small room contained “four large aquariums filled with a pink solution, each containing a small body of gray skin, oversized cranium, huge eyes, no hair.” They were not told the origin of the materials.

Chronologically, one of the first references to reverse-engineering is an MJ-12 document dated September 19, 1947, which said: “Even the recovery case of 1941 [presumably the Missouri crash] did not create a unified intelligence effort to exploit possible technological gains with the exception of the Manhattan Project.” Another document from February 22, 1944, a memo from Roosevelt to the “Non-Terrestrial Science and Technology Committee,” allegedly already under Dr. Vannevar Bush, says that the “application of non-terrestrial know how in atomic energy” would have to wait until after the war, at which point “funds can be devoted to understanding non-terrestrial science and its technology.” According to the documents, Chief of Staff George Marshall had ordered the creation of a special intelligence unit to study the phenomenon in 1942: the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU).

According to all the relevant witnesses, the wreckage from Roswell was flown to a number of locations, primarily Wright Field, which hosted the Army’s Foreign Technology Division, tasked with reverse-engineering foreign aerospace technology. Other debris made its way to Los Alamos, Sandia, Edwards AFB and Walter Reed. Stringfield, Friedman and others collect evidence that some of the best scientists of the time were recruited as part of this program, including Wernher von Braun, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Ed Teller, John von Neumann, Lincoln La Paz, Robert Sarbacher and Vannevar Bush.

The following transcripts suggest that aside from accidental malfunctions and crashes, there is a purpose for such transfers of technology into the hands of world governments. This is not necessarily for humanity’s benefit, but fits into a wider program of steering and manipulating humanity’s technological development. (However, that is not to say that all such scientific innovations are so influenced, or that other human developments may not inadvertently run counter to 4D intentions.)

November 19, 1994

A: You are not yet aware of the extent to which humans have been “aided” in technological advancement.

September 9, 1995 (direct channeling)

A: Your technology on 3rd density […] has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as “aliens” […]

This seems to have been done by “bootstrapping,” i.e. providing technology one or several steps ahead of the current state of the art. Those technologies closest to existing developments may provide the final push to perfect them, while those several steps removed may only provide insights decades in the future. Scully’s Dr. Gee included a possible hint that this was the case: “The visitors showed improvement in each ship they sent out.”

Filmmaker Dan Farah interviewed dozens of government, military and intelligence officials with firsthand knowledge of UFOs, 34 of whom he included in his 2025 documentary Age of Disclosure. In an interview with Joe Rogan, he said:

Some of the craft that we’ve recovered and adversarial nations have recovered weren’t crashed crafts and weren’t crafts that they caused to crash. They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift. […] Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick. Maybe it’s survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth. Maybe it’s a big IQ test. Who knows what it is, but that’s an interesting scenario and seems intentional from whoever put it there.

Such alien involvement is ironic if true, given the number of contactees who report that the aliens themselves berate humans for just this technological development. For example, in Earth, Timothy Good quotes an encounter between Leonard Mantle and a stranger who introduced himself as Iso Khan in 1968. The stranger implied that he came from another world, at one point in the conversation telling Mantle: “The tragedy of things here is that your technology has advanced too fast. You will not be able to contain it.” Dr. Dan Fry, while stationed at White Sands in 1949, was told: “the problem on earth is that we lack spiritual basis, and cannot control our increasing inventions and technological growth. In fact, they control us.”

The Law of One material was one of the first channeled sources to connect the UFO phenomenon to human technological development. They ascribed certain scientific advancements to the influence of 4D STS and STO (i.e. “alien”) inspiration or to the incarnation of higher-density “wanderers” with a mission to lessen the burdens of daily life. (Nikola Tesla was allegedly one such figure.) When describing in 1981 certain highly advanced drone weaponry in possession of the U.S. national security apparatus, for example, they said:

Ra: There was a [being] known to your people [as] Nikola. This entity [died] and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by [people] serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. [One of those called in to study Tesla’s papers was President Trump’s uncle, Dr. John G. Trump, an electrical engineer with the National Defense Research Committee of the Office of Scientific Research and Development.] In the case of [the] Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty-seven of your years ago [i.e. circa 1954], to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error […]

While information of this sort is allegedly transmitted to “positively oriented” scientists with the intention of unlocking “peaceful means of progress,” Ra claimed that 4D STS also transmit “technical information” and “technology” to their human counterparts “in the form of various means of control or manipulation of others to serve the self.” Regarding the development of nuclear technology, they said:

Questioner: Is this how we learned of nuclear energy? Was it mixed, both positive and negative orientation?

Ra: […] This is correct. The entities responsible for the gathering of the scientists [i.e. the Manhattan Project] were of a mixed orientation. The scientists were overwhelmingly positive in their orientation. The scientists who followed their work were of mixed orientation including one extremely negative entity, as you would term it [still alive as of 1981].

The Law of One group’s Don Elkins may have been unaware of the state of crash-retrieval research at the time and did not ask any questions regarding it. (Stringfield’s papers were somewhat obscure, and Moore and Berlitz’s book on Roswell was published only a few months before the Ra sessions began.) Since then, however, there have been claims that many technologies since the late 1940s have been a product of reverse engineering “technologies of unknown origin” such as those from Roswell. For example, according to the Ramseys, one of the probable “Dr. Gee” scientists, Patrick Haggerty, helped develop laser guidance and infrared night-vision at Texas Instruments (TI). Another from this group, TI’s John Jonsson, manufactured transistors and entered the semiconductor market. Commenting on the development of the transistor by Bell Labs, Friedman wrote:

Bell had for many years close ties with Sandia National Laboratory in Albuquerque […] and did a lot of highly classified electronics research during the war. The official birthdate for the transistor is given as December 23, 1947, although the announcement of its discovery wasn’t actually made until mid-1948 […] The team that worked on the transistor included three very well-established scientists [William Shockley, John Bardeen and Walter Brattain]. Normally when a new idea is being investigated, a senior scientist works with a junior one. It is very unlikely that three top scientists would be assigned to a single project unless someone knew that if the secret could be unlocked, the results might be very exciting indeed. Sandia, of course, is very close to the New Mexico crash sites, and there is evidence that wreckage from the crashes was investigated there. The single most important aspect that makes a new development project more likely to succeed (or less likely to be cancelled) is knowing that the desired objective can be achieved.

Nitinol, or memory metal, is also rumored to have been developed as a result of reverse engineering the Roswell wreckage. In Witness to Roswell, Schmitt and Randle reference a highly classified contract for the U.S. Air Force to study memory metal, writing: “Wright Patterson was studying Nitinol-like debris material after the Roswell crash and asked Battelle to analyze and replicate the alloy as if they did not have the technology to make it or study it themselves in secret.” Batelle’s first 2 progress reports are missing. Additionally:

The Battelle scientist [Howard Cross] who reported to the U.S. government his organization’s research on Roswell-like ‘memory metal’ in 1947-48 was the very same scientist who was involved in Battelle’s secret study of UFO sightings for the U.S. government in the 1950s […] In 1973, the U.S. Government secretly tested Nitinol for its ability to be altered by the Mind […] The tests were reported as in part successful.

Anthony Bragalia interviewed the scientist involved in that test, Eldon Byrd, and when asked about a possible Roswell-Wright-Batelle connection, “he was stunned silent, only replying after a very long pause, ‘I don’t have any comment on that.’”

In the manuscript that became The Day After Roswell (co-authored by William J. Birnes), titled Dawn of a New Age, Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso listed the following technologies as “not of this world” in origin: the Roswell flying saucer (transistors/integrated circuits, super tenacity fibers, nightvision devices, fiber optics, aligned metal atoms, ablation, plasma research, electromagnetic and antigravity propulsion devices, thought wave intensifiers, lasers, humanoid anatomy and brains), time travel, and force/death rays. According to Corso: “It must be kept in mind that the extraterrestrials never gave us a thing. Not one scientific development or lead ever came voluntarily from them. We didn’t expect any more than was garnered by accident. We were fortunate that 1958-1963 was an era of awakening.” Corso’s job was to seed pieces of this technology into the relevant industries for research and development:

The top 25 industries on the Fortune 500 list were contacted and meetings were arranged with their board of directors, top personnel, with the Chief of Army Research and Development. Our laboratories were organized and strengthened whereby they were furnished ample funds to hire top talent. In addition, many foreign firms and scientists were brought into the fold.

Industry’s response was outstanding. Proposals submitted were well presented, thorough and along the lines which we wanted. Our laboratories began to function with a well-rounded professionalism. Even the highly respected Bell Laboratory was brought into the fold. Universities played an important role. This powerful array was unbeatable. They were the world’s best and trusted our approach and guidance. And so began an array of developments such as the world had never seen. Our guiding force was national security and preservation of our way of life.

Independently of Corso, in the June/July 1999 issue of Nexus (alternate link), American Computer Company president and early computer technology developer Jack Shulman wrote of his early acquaintances with some of the top scientists at AT&T and Bell Labs, such as William Shockley (inventor of the transistor), Bob Noyce (inventor of the monolithic integrated circuit) and Jack Kilby (inventor of the hybrid integrated circuit). In 1995, a close friend – a top general and former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff – showed him some documents on which he wanted Shulman’s opinion. The documents were old Western Electric files (verified to date from the late 1940s) that included photographs of a UFO:

The things that I saw described in this Lab Shopkeeper’s Notebook consisted of things that today would be more powerful than the Intel Pentium processor, for instance, or the Cray supercomputer. There were communications devices that were described; there were ways to sandwich-in very, very thin, micrometre-thin layers; special metals to produce moving parts for things like...from the descriptions that I read, the nearest thing I could describe...an anti-gravity propulsion unit for a spacecraft. They included dynamic electronic and power-control technology that even to this day we have not yet developed. They included communications technology that was described only as having been taken from an object of unknown or unearthly origin. The documents were very carefully worded not to reveal what was, in reality, in these boxes of materials.

The documents stated that these projects were placed within Z Division, the engineering and assembly arm of the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos. After studying all this material, Shulman placed a tongue-in-cheek banner on his computer company’s website with the caption: “Did AT&T receive stolen alien technologies from the US Government in 1947 and thereby invent the transistor, the laser, the integrated circuit, and...on and on and on...different technologies?” Regarding the transistor’s alleged inventor, he said: “I knew Bill Shockley, and Bill Shockley was something of a witless buffoon. There’s no way he could have invented the transistor.” Shulman had been close to Jack Morton, the administrative head of the transistor project, who had told him years prior that he, Morton, should have gotten credit for the transistor, not Shockley. At the time, Shulman had just assumed that the government was hiding its true origins in some secret project. Morton died under mysterious circumstances in 1972, and Shulman went on to received multiple death threats and other forms of harassment.

Another of Stringfield’s sources, Mel Smith, was told by an Air Force lieutenant colonel “that the materials found on the craft [crashed in Clovis, NM, in the late 1950s] ultimately made their way into the U.S. space program in the form of heat resistant re-entry thermal shields for space capsules.” (See case #46 in Wood’s MAJIC Eyes Only.)

In 2025, Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez, a program director at the National Science Foundation, told Matt Ford:

Something that I was exposed to both in my personal capacity and then that I also brought into the government briefings is, if people, say, “Well, this UAP technology, someday it’s gonna be worth something. We’re gonna get something big out of it.” Well, what does that even mean? Well, I had someone share with me, who was in these programs, that there were many things that have already come out of these UAP programs, and so that includes lasers and includes semiconductors. And many people are going to get very upset and they’re going to say, no, that was Bell Labs and this and that. Well, the in-depth story on that was that when fields of science would reach a certain level, what’s been shared with me is that there are programs that would say, “Hey, look at this,” which is 10 times higher performing. And they would say, “This came out of a Russian sub.”

In a conversation with Brady-Estevez, Dr. Brian Banduric, CEO of Field Propulsion Technologies, told her: “Some of the materials I’ve worked with – materials that disintegrate when tampered with and reconfigure themselves – are not just decades ahead but centuries, extraterrestrial in origin.”

Farah told Rogan he has heard only suspicions about specific derivative technologies:

Rogan: Were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into…? Farah: No, no one said it on the record. […] I’ve heard suspicions like, how it could have impacted hypersonic missiles. I’ve heard things about, you know, early days of fiber optics. I’ve heard things about night vision. But no one would go on the record and say something definitive.

The C’s later claimed that some such advances may have made their way into the Russian state of the art:

July 17, 2022

Q: What kind of “weapons based on new physical principles” does Russia possess?

A: Serious bunker-busting hypersonic missiles. Also some really cool antigravity techniques combined with regular propulsion systems.

The Russian military classifies such weapons under several types: directed energy, electromagnetic, geophysical, genetic, non-lethal and radiological. The answer here takes the question literally; the Russian military does not classifies hypersonic missiles such as the Avangard and intermediate range ballistic missiles such as the Oreshnik as “high-precision hypersonic strike systems” or conventional arms with novel delivery systems, not “weapons based on new physical principles.”

According to Dr. Marina Popovich (quoted by Stringfield):

According to Valery Uvarov, member of the Soviet UFO Commission, the investigation of the strange machine [recovered near Ordzhonikidze in 1983] led to the discovery of two propulsions: an antigravity-propulsion for the flight and a jet-propulsion for finer manuevering in a mountain-area.

Valerijs Černohajev claimed to have worked in the Soviet reverse-engineering program.

In Age of Disclosure, Dr. Eric Davis discusses his knowledge of U.S. intelligence reports on a Soviet crash retrieval in 1989 of a Tic Tac twice the size of the one encountered by U.S. Navy pilots in 2004. According to Davis, Russian scientists dismantled the craft, discovering 4 humanoid bodies and “a very advanced directed energy weapon.”

May 27, 1995

A: Political problems have root in effort to suppress knowledge already gained in limited quarters for purposes of control of civilization.

Q: (T) If you warp spacetime you travel by bringing your destination to you. (L) Or, you can reverse that and understand that there is no distance between us and, say, Alpha Centauri; it is the alteration of perception that turns the axis and creates the illusion of distance.

A: Now, all you need is the “technology.”

Q: (T) The technology is being developed right now. (J) The technology has probably already been developed, it is just suppressed.

A: Yes.

In reference to the first answer, in 2023, former intelligence officer and UAPTF member David Grusch described what he called “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.” Similarly, Dan Farah told Rogan:

I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the 40s, and there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology, and the same thing has been happening in China and Russia, and it’s a very real situation. It’s a high-stakes situation. It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids. And I am completely convinced of that.

July 18, 1998

A: When you “let the cat out of the bag” [in reference to unified field theory], you create an entire feline “nation.”

Q: (T) So, we are capable of Star Trek right now?

A: In a sense, but there is so much more than that.

Q: (T) Of course. Most people would say that “cutting edge” science is 25 years ahead of what we see, and I say it is more like a hundred years, and I am even off? Cutting edge science on this planet is more like 3 or 4 hundred years ahead?

A: More like 30 to 40,000 years “ahead!”

Stringfield quotes Tommy Blann in his Status Report III:

In 1976, I met an individual in McGregor, Texas who told me that his father worked in the secret underground complex. […] He stated that “the technology being applied in this underground complex would remind someone of a science-fiction thriller. It is unbelievable what they know and can do from this area.”

According to Grusch, access to the Program is limited by classification rules and secrecy protocols derived from the Manhattan Project. Information is thus highly restricted, “stove-piped” due to compartmentalization. As Matthew Pines put it:

It’s my understanding, it’s my belief, that certain parts of human institutions have access to these materials, but they’re extremely well protected and they’re highly compartmentalized and very, very, very tight clusters of researchers have been able to access them for scientific study with mostly a view towards maybe their military application or scientific understanding that’s kept very close to the chest.

Or as Davis put it in 2019:

Probably a minute fraction, like less than one, one thousandth (1/1000) or one one-hundred thousandth (1/100,000) of the people with the need-to-know access, need-to-know authorization, and security clearances to be involved with that type of work, are the only ones that know. The vast majority of the rest of government really doesn’t know. And that’s why one hand, like the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing…virtually because of the stove-piping that goes on in compartmentalized programs.

Scully commented on this stove-piping early on, writing:

Scientists in related fields may know a little more than the [military], but because the former no longer enjoy the free exchange of ideas under the bugaboo of “security” they are either reluctant to give the devil his due or ignorant of his activities. The cell-by-cell method of research, further sealed off by the military’s forceful phobias, has developed modern science into a self-limiting disease, as physicians would call it. […] Maybe others in the vast interdepartmental structure of the Pentagon are doing it and keeping it a secret from those who worked on some other phase of it. The whole procedure tends to make a man hoard what he knows instead of sharing it, lest he be clinked away for giving away the nation’s security, or what some fallible and unidentified authority has decreed for the moment is the nation’s security.

According to journalists Christopher Sharp and Josh Boswell, the CIA’s Office of Global Access (OGA), a wing of the Science and Technology Directorate, “coordinates with Special Operations Forces such as SEAL teams or Delta Force under the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), or nuclear weapons experts such as the Nuclear Emergency Support Team (NEST), to collect the crashed or landed craft.” According to the testimony in Age of Disclosure, the CIA runs the crash-retrieval/reverse-engineering program, under with the Air Force leads actual retrieval operations utilizing special forces from all military branches, the Department of Energy handles classification (and presumably all technology related to power generation), and private defense contractors study the recovered materials. According to Farah:

The defense contractors that people like Jay Stratton and Lue Elizondo and people on the Senate Intel committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle, big companies that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology. But it’s all so classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress.

In his book, Elizondo writes:

Senior officials told me continuously and confidentially that big aerospace companies have been part of the Legacy Program to retrieve and reverse-engineer crash materials. The big names included Lockheed Martin, TRW, McDonnell Douglas, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, BAE Systems, and the Aerospace Corporation, all of which have long been principal members of the US military-industrial complex. I was also told that Monsanto, a biotechnology corporation absorbed by Bayer in 2018, may have historically been involved, most likely dealing with biological specimens.

UAP Gerb has produced a number of online documentaries on these companies and their involvement in long-standing, highly compartmentalized U.S. government initiatives focused on the retrieval, storage, reverse-engineering and exploitation of technologies of unknown origin (TUO) from alien craft.

Gerb’s research describes a complex ecosystem of institutions, including Major Range and Test Facility Bases (MRTFBs) like Edwards, Dugway and Tonopah; major defense contractors like Lockheed, Northrop and SAIC; Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) like Sandia and Batelle; and University Affiliated Research Center (UARCs) like the Penn State Applied Research Laboratory, MIT Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies, and University of Nebraska National Strategic Research Center. Such “government-owned, contractor-operated” (GOCO) models bypass government oversight and FOIA.

September 20, 1997

A: Stealth fighter contains some alien-inspired technology.

UFO researchers Michael Schratt and Richard Boylan argue that Northrop Grumman’s B-2 stealth bomber “employs reverse-engineered possibly electrogravitic technology” derived from the work of Thomas Townsend Brown. Jesse Michels makes a similar argument.

January 24, 1998

Q: Speaking of disinformation, there is a little statement attributed to former astronaut Edgar Mitchell, sent out in the Skywatch mailing, in which he says that man-made craft that have the flight capabilities or characteristics, that are generally attributed to UFO’s, do exist, but not as part of military arsenals. Is this true?

A: Not what he says.

Q: What do you mean? That I stated it inaccurately?

A: Yes.

Q: Well, what is the truth in this case?

A: Not man-made.

Q: Well, you are right. He did not say man-made. He was saying that the technology did exist. (A) He was speaking about reverse engineering, suggesting that we were able to reproduce the technology, and reverse engineering implies that it is done here on Earth. Of course, that does not imply that there is no help from somewhere else.

A: Close. Reread.

Q: OK, I would say that it was phrased very carefully. (A) The next thing that he said was that to build these craft or whatever, no fancy things – wormholes or time loops or other dimensions – are necessary, which implies that it is all 3rd-density technology. Was he correct in this respect?

A: Did not say all 3rd density.

Q: He was sort of implying this, but he implied that it was all standard physics and engineering.

A: 3 and 4. Reread.

Q: OK, we will. Is he a person who is in the know about the things he was speaking?

A: Close to that.

Without having a copy of the email in question to see Mitchell’s exact wording, it is difficult to understand these answers. Mitchell was involved with Bob Bigelow’s National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS). In his papers after his death were found the so-called Wilson-Davis memo detailing a reverse-engineering program discovered by Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson, former director of the DIA, as related in conversation to Eric Davis. (See Ross Coulthart’s book In Plain Sight for a summary of the notes.)

When it comes to reverse-engineered UAP, there is some conflict among researchers whether or not the U.S. and/or Russia have fully functional craft of their own manufacture (often called ARVs or alien reproduction vehicles).

While Eric Davis emphatically denies the existence of ARVs, UAP Gerb speculates that this may be the result of one more NDA signed by Davis as a result of his classified work. Tom DeLonge features ARVs – both American and Russian –prominently in his Sekret Machines novels (partly inspired by his conversations with insiders). His depiction of their reality matches a short statement related by filmmaker Randall Nickerson. Nickerson recalls visiting a South African air force base. The base commander was very open about the topic of UFOs and matter-of-factly told him: “You know, we can tell on radar the difference between the American version, the Russian version, and the real thing.”

Commander Will Miller, a former military advisor to Steven Greer, told researcher Joe Murgia in 2020:

It’s my firm belief that yes, we – the Russians, probably the Germans, & perhaps the Chinese have at least partial technologies (pieces), and most likely for the US – entire operational craft.

I believe we have our own trans-luminal velocity craft that can take us anywhere in space & time. Did we develop this technology independently? Probably not!

Miller had a friend who worked at Area 51 and told him:

“You know, Will, some of the folks you talk with, maybe some CSETI researchers, may see objects that are doing, you know, Mach 9 and then suddenly make a right angle turn and you say, ‘Well, gosh, that’s got to be an extraterrestrial craft.’” And then he looked at me and he said, “But it’s not.” And he just turned and walked away."

Whistleblower Matthew Brown saw references to ARVs in the Immaculate Constellation document. In his report for Congress, he wrote:

IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION’s primary mission is collecting imagery intelligence on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and ARV/RV (Reproduction Vehicles) utilizing tasked and untasked U.S. military-intelligence resources. […] Intelligence analysis associated with [a particular event] specifies that the equilateral-triangle is an ARV/RV of unknown origin.

In conversation with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell, he said this:

Knapp: Do you suspect that there are reverse-engineering programs, that there have been crashes, that there are attempts to replicate that technology? You got hints of it in the ARV or RV.

Brown: Yeah. […]

Knapp: That we’re trying to build what these things can do. Do you think we’ve done it, that we’ve accomplished it? Somebody?

Brown: Yeah, I think we’ve absolutely replicated some of these capabilities in inferior forms. And often times maybe disaggregated from what was at once a unitary system, but we’re only able to do a small part what that system does. […] I think the U.S. military might be allowed to use some of this technology in the national defense, but I don’t think they ultimately have control over it. […] When it comes to WMDs and relations to this technology, I think we have been successful in both deriving new science – that we have then suppressed to preserve a strategic advantage."

As Brown suggests, an alternative hypothesis is that they have functional alien craft that they can operate, such as the one Bob Lazar witnessed at S-4, or man-made craft retrofitted with certain alien-inspired components. It is also possible that some factions may have access to more-advanced technology via joint work with some alien groups, as is rumored to occur in some underground bases and labs – though this blurs the lines between “human” and “alien” spheres of activity.

June 24, 2023

Q: (L) Are there any things, are there similar [craft like the Tic-Tac] that humans have made?

A: Yes, but much less tech[nologically] advanced.

In his second interview on Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp’s Weaponized, the former head of the DIA’s AAWSAP, Dr. James Lacatski, when asked if the U.S. government has already achieved the creation of a levitating aircraft, responded: “It hasn’t been achieved to its full extent,” echoing Brown’s words above. Farah also stated his belief to Joe Rogan that some progress has been made in this regard:

A couple of the people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life, but some of it is reverse-engineered craft from our program, the Legacy Program, and some from adversaries. So, I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don’t think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress. (Rogan: Yeah. God, I would love to know what it is that they’ve done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.) I don’t think it is. No. No. I talked to everybody who ran actually ran the investigation of the Tic Tac from various agencies and to the pilots. No one no one thinks it’s man-made.

(In the springer and summer of 2025, Ross Coulthart made the controversial statement that sources have claimed to him that the Tic Tac was a nonhuman craft in possession of Lockheed Martin and operated by human psionics.)

On the previously mentioned drone weapons discussed in the Law of One, Ra claimed the U.S. government then had almost 600 such devices which could approach half the speed of the light at their fastest (i.e. over 90,000 mph) and that this speed was due to “imperfections” in their design.

Ra: It would be more appropriate to consider [the drone craft] as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time.

Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport?

Ra: […] The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies.

In 1991 a retired Air Force colonel told Tim Cooper that von Braun, Condon, Oppenheimer and Teller did classified reverse-engineering work (see Stringfield’s Status Report VI). When asked if they figured out the propulsion, he answered:

A. No. They theorized on the ability to achieve the speed of light and utilized magnetic lines of force. [This echoes Scully’s Dr. Gee and what Ra said above about the Earth’s EM field.] They made some gains in understanding how to harness an energy source greater than the hydrogen bomb and how it was possible to reach speeds of 6 miles per second in the earth’s atmosphere [i.e. over 20,000 mph]. […]

Q. How did they learn how to apply this technology?

A. They had help.

Q. Who?

A. The same one who helped them develop the bomb.

Q. Who?

A. No comment. […]

Q. Why did the Air Force initiate Project Blue Book?

A. Mainly for public relations. Basically, the Air force wanted to gather UFO intelligence on a low-level so as not to tip off the Russians of any intensive efforts by the US in developing high technology weapons.

Farah was told something similar about maintaining strategic surprise in the case of highly advanced weapons:

People that I can’t attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse-engineered technology. (Rogan: Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit or does that mean traveling through the solar system?) What was implied to me was traveling through the solar system. Here’s another thing someone that that same person said to me by the way […] that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war. Those cards would not be shown until moments before a nuclear war situation. So they wouldn’t pull it out to stop any of the wars we’ve experienced since World War II. […] It has to get to a level where there’s no other option. Cuz it’s “show your cards.”

July 31, 1999

Q: Could it be possible that, using this technology, the U.S. government, or secret government, has been doing abductions on human beings that the victims think is an alien abduction?

A: Maybe in some cases, but the technology is not comparable. [See MILABs in volume 1.]

July 22, 2000

Q: (L) It is Vincent [Bridges’s] contention that the UFO phenomenon, the alien abduction phenomenon […] are a product of super-advanced, technological, human-controlled, mind-programming projects using the technology of Puharich and Tesla. Yes, it is supposed to be so advanced that they can not only read minds and can control minds, but that it is, in the end, merely human-engineered programming. Is he, even in part, correct?

A: Well, there are elements of the phenomenon which may be connected to human, 3rd-density-STS engineering, but by and large, this is not the case.

September 14, 2002

Q: (L) I want to ask about this crop circle supposedly that was created here on or around August 15, 2002, and I guess the first thing I’d like to ask is “whodunnit?”

A: It was produced via 4th-density technology.

Q: (V) STS or STO 4th-density technology?

A: STS.

Q: (L) OK. You said via 4th-density technology. However you did not say via 4th-density beings…

A: Correct. There has been much advancement in 3D-realm tech due to 4D interaction.

Q: (V) Between whom and 3rd density?

A: Consortium.

August 30, 2009

A: 4D has no problem influencing specific targets. 3D has to rely on more primitive technology and there is always “collateral damage.” [Perhaps a reference to anomalous health injuries like “Havana Syndrome,” the product of pulsed microwave weapons.]

June 24, 2022

Q: (Ark) Suppose we can build a time machine. What would be the beneficial uses of such a device?

A: Not many. STS uses tech to control and manipulate, but each use causes negative impact cascades. [Later in this exchange the C’s say that such a device has already been created, but we will discuss time travel in its own article at some time in the future.]

August 17, 2024

Q: (L) I want to ask about Jean-Pierre Garnier Malet’s “Theory of the Doubling of Time and Space.” Is this theory that he’s come up with – his ideas about time and gravity and space and so forth – if they could ever be elucidated with any clarity, are they close to being descriptive of different densities?

A: Close, but not close enough and he has some things exactly backwards.

Q: (L) Well, he says that he came to this idea sometime, I think around 1988 or something. And he had an encounter with a being, apparently, for 15 minutes, and all this stuff came into his head and because of his background in physics and […] hydrodynamics […] So what kind of a being did he have an encounter with?

A: 4D STS.

Q: (L) And why did this being give him this information?

A: Muddy the waters.

The above information has many implications for the history of the past century and suggests a possible hidden layer to many events, from technology and geopolitics to various conspiracies and secret government programs. Expanding on the implications listed above, the UFO reality may have inspired such things as: the development of computing technology and artificial intelligence, weapons of mass destruction and surveillance systems, biological warfare, nanotechnology, secret programs like MKULTRA (that program’s head, Sidney Gottlieb, was fascinated by UFOs) and remote viewing, and more.

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