Nordics
NHI/Alien Races Part 1b
Appearance
The first physical description of the so-called Orions came in one of the first sessions (1994-7-30). The session began with a warning to “be careful” of “aliens,” i.e. “Orions,” because they “follow you” (see volume 1 on implants and monitoring). When asked what they look like, the Cassiopaeans replied: “Grays.” Over a year later (1995-10-14), a “disguised humanoid Gray” or “Rigelian” was described as “Orion Union STS.” (Rigel is a star in the Orion constellation.) However, other sessions sometimes clarified, or confused, this identification. When asked if 4D-STS Orions look like Reptilians, the answer was “some” (1994-10-23), and when asked if Orions and Reptilians were synonymous, the answer was “close” (1994-10-20), but other sessions clearly differentiate the two (1994-9-30, 1994-10-23, 1994-11-26, 1995-9-9, 1995-9-24, 2023-7-29). Most often, the term is used to refer either to a collective of alien races (the “Orion Union”), or specifically to Nordic/humanoid types.
Karla Turner makes a statement in Taken (1994) that supports the former grouping:
In addition to noting the variety of physical types, it is important to realize that every combination of these different entities have been reported working together in abduction scenarios. It is hard to conclude, then, that the various types are really separate groups carrying out separate functions or missions.
In 1990, John Grace (aka “Valdamar Valerian”) self-published Matrix II: The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology, which featured contributions from people like John Lear, “Nexus Seven” and “Jason Bishop III” (aka Tal LeVesque, co-author of the Dulce Papers discussed in volume 1). In it, Grace describes the Orion entities as “several species of the Greys and the Reptilians.” Grace presumably based this on his own channeled material, at least some of which came from a self-professed Gray calling itself “Kirok,” as well as the Law of One (either directly or indirectly).
September 30, 1994
Q: (L) What other groups are they [“Lizzies,” i.e. Reptilians] in cahoots with?
A: Orions.
Q: (L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?
A: 16. [The C’s later refused to provide a description of these 16 groups in the 1999-7-31 session.]
September 9, 1995 (direct channeling)
Q: (L) Are the Lizard beings agents for some other group?
A: […] there are levels of authority in 4th-density STS environment, and these are determined by intellectual and physical prowess […] in STS: the “pecking order” […] At the bottom are those you are familiar with as the Gray beings, and in the middle are those you would call the Lizard beings, and above that are others that you are not so familiar with.
Q: (L) Who are they?
A: The most commonly known […] are the Orion STS.
Q: (L) What do they look like?
A: They are […] humanoid in structure, resembling large human beings.
Q: (L) And we don’t see them that often?
A: […] the ones most frequently seen on 3rd density level are the Gray beings. All other equally less frequently seen.
Thomas Bullard’s 1999 study confirmed this statement: standard humanoids/Grays (70%), humans/Nordics (20%), “robots” (5%), insectoids (5%), Reptilians (2%). According to the FREE (Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary Encounters) study, however, human-like beings were the most frequently reported alien type, followed by Grays. As noted in volume 1, this may suggest that the FREE study participants were not sharing typical alien/abduction experiences, but perhaps other types of encounters (e.g. out-of-body or “astral” experiences). (See volume 1 for more on human-looking aliens.)
The so-called Nordics have their origin in the “space brothers” of the early contactees. However, they have made their appearance in all manner of UFO encounters, including occupant sightings and abductions. As such, they are the most consistently reported type since in the modern UFO era. They are often described as exceptionally attractive and wearing tight-fitting, blue, one-piece uniforms. For example, Alfonso Martinez, mentioned above, described his own encounter with a blue-uniformed “regular white guy with blond hair […] about six feet tall, normal build. To me, he looks like an athlete.” While the first part of Travis Walton’s famous abduction featured Grays, following his resuscitation (see volume 1), he dealt with Nordics, whom he described in Fire in the Sky (1979) as wearing tight-fitting, “velvety blue uniforms”:
The woman also had a face and figure that was the epitome of her gender. They were smooth-skinned and blemishless. No moles, freckles, wrinkles, or scars marked their skin. The striking good looks of the man I had first met became more obvious on seeing them all together. They shared a family-like resemblance, although they were not identical. They all had the same coarse, brownish blond hair. The woman wore hers longer than the men, past her shoulders. She did not appear to be wearing makeup. They all seemed to be in their mid-twenties, perhaps older. All had those same intense, golden hazel eyes. Whether it was their brightness or some other quality, something was definitely odd about those eyes; but I could not pin down their disturbing nature.
Betty Andreasson’s abductions similarly featured both the diminutive, jump-suited Grays and tall (around 7 feet), pale, white-haired and light-blue-eyed “Elders.” (The so-called Tall Whites probably also fall under this category, but they have never been explicitly discussed in the C’s sessions.) In her case, however, the latter wore white robes. Ray Fowler observes that in Betty’s abductions, the Grays (Watchers) were subservient to the Nordics (Elders).
The victims of the Colares, Brazil, UFO attacks from the late 1970s also encountered both types, as described in Bob Pratt’s UFO Danger Zone. In Imminent, Elizondo writes:
Descriptions of the occupants of these otherworldly vehicles broke down into two types. Beings that appeared to be pale, tall, adult humanoids, and beings with disproportionately large heads and frail bodies about three or four feet tall. As I would later learn, those two descriptions—the so-called Nordics and Grays—fit the profile of alleged aliens from countless close encounters the world over.
One of the witnesses, Jose Benedito Bogea, told Pratt: “They appeared to be Brazilians, but there were no black people and no old people. Most were light-skinned and had eyes of different colors, blue, brown. The women were pretty and had long blond hair. All the men had short hair, beards and mustaches.” Commenting on the Colares flap, Jason Reza Jorjani writes in Closer Encounters (2021):
We know, especially from the cases in Brazil, that [the Nordics] are as sadistic as any of the so-called “Grays.” Furthermore, there is ample evidence to conclude that the Grays are biological robots in the employ of these Nordics. It should be assumed, therefore, that to the extent the dirty work of abductions and mutilations is being carried out by Grays, these androids are only doing the bidding of their “Nordic” masters. This is something to keep firmly in mind in the event that they narrative of “Disclosure” is ever spun in the direction of blaming all of the negative aspects of Close Encounters on gray “aliens” while looking to the protection and guidance from “Nordics,” who are portrayed as sagacious “ancestors” of terrestrial humanity.
One of Turner’s subjects in Taken, Angie, asked her abductors who was in charge of a certain operation: “a ‘blond humanoid’ replied that his kind ‘control everything’,” including the human “military people” (undergrounders?) with whom they seemed to be collaborating.
Wilkinson describes the Nordics as “very tall, thin, and pale-skinned, with white-blonde hair and crystal-clear, blue-green eyes.” She speculates based on her observations that “the Nordic and grey aliens work together” (as well as with humans in secretive programs) and, like Jorjani, that they have possibly been “setting up a scenario where they could later offer themselves as our champions, defending us from future attacks by the greys.” In 1988, Virgil Armstrong wrote similarly: “What better way to derail us than through extraterrestrial intelligences whose sole purpose and intent is to dupe us (to include government) into believing they are our mentors, superiors and long lost loving brothers.”
Bob Dean, Sergeant Major in U.S. Army, claimed to have knowledge of a top secret NATO assessment on UFOs, crash retrievals and bodies conducted in the 1960s. The study listed 4 humanoid species, according to Moira McGhee:
One rarely-seen group was extremely tall, white and pale, with no body hair. […] [Another] looked exactly like us. They were not Nordic in the way some researchers describe them. Not all had blond hair; some had brown or black hair, and their eyes varied from blue, to green, or brown. They varied in height, and this made them less distinguishable from the rest of us.
September 24, 1995
A: Orions created Grays in 5 varieties, as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4 [these refer to alleged planets, not stars], as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard’s Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in 4th density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!!
On October 7, 1995, they added: “there are indeed actual residential locators mentioned in various writings which are factual. Orion, obviously, Zeta Reticuli, Rigel, Barnard’s Star, Sirius region, though not the actual astronomic body as mentioned.” In March 2025, scientists announced the discovery of four small planets orbiting Barnard’s Star, which is six light years from our solar system. One of the reports Bob Lazar read at the outset of his work at S-4 claimed that an alien race came from “Reticulum 4,” which according to the document referred to the fourth planet of the Zeta-Reticuli system. (Zeta Reticuli will be discussed more in the section on Grays.)
Q: (L) Are the Orion STS the infamous red-headed Nordic aliens?
A: Yes, and all other humanoid combinations. [A couple years later, the the C’s said there were 3 variations of Nordics (1997-8-9).]
October 7, 1995
Q: (L) Who are the “Orange” aliens mentioned as being the “Council of Nine”?
A: Orange is reference to hair color.
October 14, 1995
Q: (L) OK, how many [Reptilians] are operating on the planet [at the present time]?
A: 300,000.
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges [i.e. Nordics]?
A: 62,530.
Q: (L) How many Grays?
A: 2,750,000.
Q: […] (L) Are most of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time? I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth.
Q: […] (T) When you asked how many of them are here – in 3rd density? […]
A: And others.
Q: (L) I didn’t specify the density. Just in our immediate planetary area. (T) That’s how many of them are working this project.
November 11, 1995
Q: (L) This book describes the Nordic aliens as having blood with a different chemical base than ours…
A: This is trivial disinformation, “Nordic” physiology is identical to yours, with the exception being their cranium, which averages 3 percent larger. [This size difference is negligible, given that human craniums vary between 1,000 and 2,000 cubic centimeters.]
This would seem to imply either that we humans were genetically engineered to resemble Nordics or that the humanoid form exists as a kind of genetic template or attractor toward which evolutionary processes aim (or both of these options combined). If either is true, it would provide a rejoinder to those who argue that any alien race would look nothing like us because evolutionary processes are undirected. It may be that all or most species who achieve self-consciousness have a humanoid form. In The Watchers II, Raymond Fowler speculates:
Of course, it is always a possibility that some universal law (for want of a better word [a better word may be a telon, from Chris Langan’s cognitive-theoretic model of the universe, or what Thomas Nagel calls natural teleology]) may govern the course of evolution everywhere and that humanoid life forms are the ultimate result. […] It is at least possible that the very origin of life itself on our planet could have originated from humanoid ET entities. If that were the case, evolution may have eventually produced creatures in their own image of those ETs either by the natural course of evolution or by aided interference on their part from time to time.
July 14, 1996
A: The “Greys” are cybergenetic probes of the “Lizard” beings, so just exactly who is doing the assisting? And who is behind the Lizard types?? Could it be your ancestors, perhaps!?!
As we’ll see in the section on “ancient aliens,” this is most likely a reference to Nordics/Orions.
July 19, 1997
Q: What do the Orions eat?
A: Crystalline tablets, which are aspirated through oral demolecuarization. [See volume 1 on alien nutrition.]
July 29, 2023
Q: (Ze Germans) Are there any conflicting 4D-STS groups or races operating on the Earth at the moment or all of them are more or less cooperating with each other?
A: Not cooperating with each other. That is the wrong concept. They operate under the control of an hierarchical system with an overlord pulling the strings or levers as the case may be.
Q: (L) So they don’t play nicely with each other unless they’re overseen by a dictatorial being who commands their obedience. Is that it more or less?
A: Yes.
Q: (Joe) And who’s the overlord? […]
A: You don’t want to know! […] Science fiction is often inspired. Think of someone similar to the emperor, but far more virile.
Q: (Andromeda) Palpatine. From Star Wars.
Here is how Ra described the STS hierarchy in the Law of One:
July 13, 1981: […] those planetary social memory complexes of the so-called Orion constellation have the upper hand and thus rule the other members. You must recall that in negative thinking there is always the pecking order […] To the stronger go the greater shares of polarity.
May 12, 1982: [When an individual within this pecking order recruits one or more others beneath it,] the so-called pecking order is immediately challenged and the entity with increased power exercises that power to control more other[s] and to advance within the social memory complex structure.
This may explain some accounts of NHI types being in conflict with each other, as well as perhaps sightings of differently shaped UFOs appearing to engage in “dogfights” or other maneuvers suggestive of hostile interaction. For example, regarding his interview with David Grusch, journalist Walter Kirn wrote:
We also have “biologics,” meaning bodies, whose characteristics Grusch isn’t free to specify though he hints that these come in different shapes and sizes. Finally, he learned that these beings may not be friendly. “Indifferent to us at best,” he says. He also suggests they belong to groups or species which may, in some cases, dislike each other.
April 27, 2024
Q: (Approaching Infinity) How do “Minturians” [i.e. Mantids/insectoids] fit into the STS hierarchy already described in which Nordics control reptoids?
A: Minturians are generally genetics specialists only slightly higher in rank than reptoids. Nordics control both.
According to the C’s the NHI hierarchy is roughly as follows, from lower position to higher: bi-density hybrids and hirsute humanoids (i.e. Bigfoot), 4D Grays, 4D Reptilians, 4D Mantids, 4D Nordics, 5D “angels and demons.” (There is a 6D element as well, but it is more abstract and will be dealt with in the future series on cosmology.) Wilkinson writes that according to her Reptilian handler:
[…] his kind oversaw the little greys and the taller elder greys along with many other entities that were on the same authority level as the Nordic entities. [This placing of Nordics below Reptilians would appear to be a misdirection.] […] He also told me that there was another species that was in charge of his kind. I would later find out that these were the insect-looking type of aliens.
In an interview with Ted Rice, abductee “Fringe” tells Rice that she believes the Reptilians and Mantids are at a “similar” level in terms of rank, “but they’re almost two sides of a coin.” She describes the Reptilians, from her experience, as “very savage and sociopathic,” whereas the Mantids, whom she has not consciously experienced, are reportedly “very cold and calculated and very intelligent.”
Abduction and Manipulation
Referencing the mysterious disappearance of Karl Hunrath and Wilbur J. Wilkinson and their airplane in 1953 (referenced in passing in volume 1), George Hunt Williamson assures his readers that his benevolent “space friends” are not responsible for such disappearances: “They are not subjecting captured men to vivisection or horrible death in monstrous spacecraft chambers of horror.” He does not expand on this out-of-place reference to vivisection, but goes on to reject the idea that even the “Orion Intruders” are engaging in such behaviors:
[…] the Orion forces are not kidnapping people from Earth. Their only power is through “projected intelligence” […] but they can do no harm to those who refuse to be influenced by them. Levitations and other disappearances are due to time factors and space friends picking up their own people to take them home again.
Williamson was writing almost 15 years before alien abduction would enter the public imagination. Almost 30 years later, Ra, by way of contrast, said this:
The Orion group uses the physical examination [i.e. abduction] as a means of terrifying the individual and causing it to feel the feelings of an advanced second-density being such as a laboratory animal. The sexual experiences of some are a sub-type of this experience. The intent is to demonstrate the control of the Orion entities over the Terran inhabitant. The thought-form experiences are subjective and, for the most part, do not occur in this density. (53.14)
Several excerpts tying the abduction phenomenon to the Orion group were included in volume 1, as well as their control of the “undergrounders” and responsibility for the very things Williamson denies: missing people and human vivisection. The following sessions supplement the material already collected there:
December 17, 1994
Q: (L) Who has Eddie Page been abducted by that he says look like us?
A: 4th-density Orion STS. [The same answer was given in the 1994-12-23 session.]
Q: (L) Well, in another session we were told that a lot of what Eddie Page is saying is disinformation designed to take people in; is that true?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And what is the source of that disinformation?
A: Orion STS.
December 28, 1994
Q: (L) OK, who is telling Eddie Page that they are the Pleiadians?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Well, if you were Orion STS and we asked who you were, wouldn’t you say you were the Cassiopaeans?
A: No. Pleiadians. That is “trendy” thus deceptive.
September 9, 1995 (direct channeling)
Q: (L) Do these Orion STS ever participate in abductions?
A: The abductions are primarily performed by the Gray beings. However, others can and will and in fact have abducted. But when this occurs, the nature of the abduction is different.
Recent Influence on Humanity
July 19, 1997
Q: What is the source of this dreadful [flood] in Poland?
A: Sopophoric screen alterations of the magnetic belt overlay. [Van Allen radiation belt?]
Q: And what is causing these screen alterations of the magnetic belt overlay?
A: Influences of Acquiim.
Q: What is Acquiim?
A: 4th-density overseer.
Q: Does that mean soporific screen alteration?
A: Soporific/phosphorous. [While phosphorus is not typically found in the atmosphere, “Poland, with a significant riverine water outflow, and with a 45% share of agricultural land and a 50% share of population in the Baltic catchment, is responsible for significant N and P loads discharged to the Baltic Sea.” A small percentage (2-6%) of phosphorus in this region is (re)deposited through rainfall. While the reference to soporific is a mystery, severe hypophosphatemia (abnormally low phosphate leves), can cause drowsiness and stupor.]
Q: What is the purpose of this screen alteration?
A: Deterrence of colinear wave-reading consciousness units [i.e. certain humans].
August 7, 2001
Q: (L) What are Ophanic intelligences, as Vincent [Bridges] understands them? The ones he calls upon with his 30 calls to the aethyrs?
A: 4D STS.
July 4, 2009
Q: (L) Joe wants to know if this hummingbird-looking [crop circle] is fake.
A: It’s “real” but the real question is “Who did it?”[…]
Q: (Allen) Is it 4th-density STS?
A: Yes and their human “agents.”
Q: (A**) What about the original Nazca one, is it supposed to be the same thing? I mean, whoever did it, is it related to the people that did it before?
A: No.
Q: (Allen) So when these guys say that they’re channeling some of these circles when they make them, they’re kind of telling the truth: they’re channeling 4D STS?
A: Yes indeed!
This hummingbird appeared during a period of increased crop circle activity in Britain, one with several animal figures, including a jellyfish on May 29 and a dragonfly on June 3.
June 9, 2018
Q: (L) Was Carl Jung possessed after his extensive therapeutic encounter with Otto Gross? [See Richard Noll’s The Aryan Christ: The Secret Life of Carl Jung (1997).]
A: Not at that point, but later, yes.
Q: (L) Possessed by what?
A: 4D STS.
Q: (Pierre) How did he get possessed?
A: Asked for it.
Q: (Joe) Was he into some kind of mysticism or black magic or cultism as it was called?
A: Yes, though it was not called such.
May 13, 2023
Q: (Ryan) Was Nietzsche contacted by the spirit of Zarathustra?
A: No.
Q: (Ryan) Was it his imagination, or another entity such as 4D STS?
A: Both of the latter.
September 24, 1995
A: Hitler communicated directly with Lizards, and Orion STS, and was instructed on how to create the “master race.”
Jorjani, after summarizing the contactees and their interactions with Nordics, notes “a pattern which leaves no doubt about there being some connection between the ‘Nordic’ appearance of the tall white UFO pilots on the one hand, and the Fascist ideology of the ‘Master Race’ on the other hand.” The possible Nazi/NHI connection will be discussed in more detail in the series on UFOs/aliens and human governments.
October 7, 1995
Q: (L) Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic “master race”?
A: Both similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd- and 4th-density stock.
Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people like themselves?
A: Yes.
August 31, 1996
Q: (T) [Who instructed the Nazis to build a base in Antarctica]?
A: Those identifying themselves as “Antareans.” [This designation is also mentioned in the “Blue Planet Project” document.]
Q: (L) And who are the “Antareans”?
A: STS humanoid Orion linkage [i.e.] an STS race from Orion that is humanoid.
March 9, 2024
Q: (Ursus Minor) Did the Thule society channel an alien race or subterraneans?
A: Neither. Were visited by Nordics.
April 27, 2024
Q: (Altair) In what year were the Nazis first contacted by Nordics?
A: Nazis existed under different monikers much earlier. 1914.
Being a fan of ww2 history and over some time eventually becoming aware of the nazi's shadowy links with the occult and it's Thule society was how my eyes became to open up to the hyperdimentional reality of "aliens" and it's interaction/manipulation with humanity. I could never find any hard hitting evidence, but all avenues seem to give some sort of reference to "die glocke" and the creation of some sort of "ufo" craft. History can be quite interesting!
Great stuff, thank you!